Indio Solari, el último mohicano de la contracultura

{"id":310,"id_simpleblog_post":"310","id_simpleblog_category":"37","id_simpleblog_post_type":"1","id_simpleblog_author":"0","author":"Marcelo Figueras","author_url":null,"likes":"0","views":"11285","allow_comments":"2","is_featured":"1","access":"a:3:{i:1;b:1;i:2;b:1;i:3;b:1;}","cover":"jpg","featured":"jpg","id_product":"253949,253951","id_category_tematica":"70,56,11,167673","id_category_autor":"2258,2017","id_category_editorial":"11388","id_event":"0","active":"1","title":"Indio Solari, el \u00faltimo mohicano de la contracultura","meta_title":"Indio Solari, el \u00faltimo mohicano de la contracultura","meta_description":"El Indio Solari, la figura m\u00e1s m\u00edtica del rock argentino de los \u00faltimos 30 a\u00f1os, habla de su misterioso proceso creativo, del lugar del artista en la sociedad y la potencia todav\u00eda indescifrable que ve en los j\u00f3venes de hoy.","meta_keywords":"Revista Lengua Indio Solari","short_content":"<p>Carlos \u00abEl Indio\u00bb Solari es la figura m\u00e1s m\u00edtica de la cultura rock argentina de los \u00faltimos treinta a\u00f1os: recluso c\u00e9lebre, casi no dio entrevistas a lo largo de su vida; su po\u00e9tica es motivo de las m\u00e1s diversas interpretaciones y sus canciones son himnos de generaciones; su banda, Los Redonditos de Ricota, se volvi\u00f3 emblema de la resistencia cultural ante el derrumbe econ\u00f3mico; sus frases est\u00e1n tatuadas en chicos de la calle y en funcionarios, y cada uno de sus conciertos es considerado \u00abuna misa\u00bb que convoca a cientos de miles de personas que peregrinan de todos los puntos del pa\u00eds para escucharlo. Alejado de los escenarios por problemas de salud, en los \u00faltimos a\u00f1os ha roto d\u00e9cadas de silencio con sus memorias, \u00abRecuerdos que mienten un poco\u00bb, un di\u00e1logo con el escritor y periodista Marcelo Figueras que devino en fen\u00f3meno de ventas in\u00e9dito para la literatura del rock. Ahora, en su segunda colaboraci\u00f3n con el dibujante Seraf\u00edn (despu\u00e9s de la novela gr\u00e1fica \u00abEscenas del Delito Americano\u00bb), Solari publica \u00abLa vida es una misi\u00f3n secreta\u00bb, una selecci\u00f3n de sus c\u00e9lebres letras en un libro que se lee casi como un c\u00f3mic. 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\u00faltimo t\u00e9rmino, lo que le confiere la autoridad de la que goza es el reconocimiento a una conducta. <strong>El Indio hizo su camino a prudente distancia de las grandes compa\u00f1\u00edas discogr\u00e1ficas, de los m\u00e1nagers del rubro y de la televisi\u00f3n. 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El sue\u00f1o original era concebir una especie de historia completa, un universo autosuficiente sostenido desde distintas disciplinas: un libro, un video, pintura o dibujo... Pero soy un harag\u00e1n. Inmediatamente la curiosidad inicial es reemplazada por una nueva, se me arma una ansiedad de curiosidades sucesivas y voy saltando de una cosa a la otra. Tuve la suerte de contar con facilidad natural para ciertos registros de lo art\u00edstico: por eso escribo, dibujo, pinto, compongo... No me recuerdo puteando por meterme a hacer algo que no me sal\u00eda. Uno se da cuenta de que hace las cosas razonablemente bien a partir de la mirada de los dem\u00e1s. Si a los que te rodean les gusta lo que hac\u00e9s, empez\u00e1s a creer en vos mismo, y a partir de esa fe ya no te importa m\u00e1s que a los dem\u00e1s les guste o no. \u00a1As\u00ed son los artistas! (Se r\u00ede).\u00a0No existi\u00f3 un momento puntual en el que se abri\u00f3 el umbral del arte y me deslumbr\u00f3. 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Figueras: \u00bfC\u00f3mo surgi\u00f3 tu colaboraci\u00f3n con Seraf\u00edn?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Indio Solari:<\/strong> Cuando ten\u00e9s popularidad te llegan ofrecimientos todo el tiempo. Un d\u00eda Seraf\u00edn me envi\u00f3 una muestra de sus trabajos. Pero al principio le dije que no. Yo ten\u00eda en mente otro tipo de dibujos, \u00e9l hac\u00eda personajes de cuellos largos que estaban muy bien, pero para otro proyecto. Durante esa conversaci\u00f3n le mencion\u00e9 a Liberatore, a Moebius \u2014ese tipo de dibujantes europeos\u2014 y tambi\u00e9n a algunos de ac\u00e1, como Breccia y Pratt, que era italiano pero trabaj\u00f3 mucho en Argentina. Se ve que el tipo ten\u00eda hambre de trabajar en serio, porque modific\u00f3 su l\u00ednea, empez\u00f3 a hacer personajes m\u00e1s realistas... y ah\u00ed me compr\u00f3, porque esas ilustraciones se parec\u00edan a los fotomontajes que hago yo a veces.<\/p><p><strong>Marcelo Figueras: Eso sirvi\u00f3 para el primer libro en el que colaboraron, <span style=\\\"text-decoration: underline;\\\"><a href=\\\"https:\/\/www.penguinlibros.com\/es\/los-mejores-comic\/1100-escenas-del-delito-americano-9789500759748\\\" target=\\\"_blank\\\"><em>Escenas del\u00a0<\/em><\/a><\/span><\/strong><strong><em><span style=\\\"text-decoration: underline;\\\"><a href=\\\"https:\/\/www.penguinlibros.com\/es\/los-mejores-comic\/1100-escenas-del-delito-americano-9789500759748\\\" target=\\\"_blank\\\">delito americano<\/a><\/span>.<\/em> Pero en este libro nuevo Seraf\u00edn pone im\u00e1genes a tus letras. \u00bfNunca te cuestionaste hasta d\u00f3nde pod\u00edan ser visualizadas tus letras?<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Indio Solari:<\/strong> De eso estuve convencido todo el tiempo. 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