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Nuria Pérez: «La libertad es una sensación que a la mujer le llega muy tarde»

Un lugar y un objeto. Los dos hilos con los que Nuria Pérez hilvana delicadamente cada episodio del pódcast «Gabinete de curiosidades» (Premio Ondas en 2022) también atraviesan su primera novela, «No tocarás» (Salamandra). Una taza de porcelana de Copeland Spode y el histórico edificio londinense Alexandra Palace son los nexos de unión de tres mujeres en la búsqueda de un objetivo común: la libertad.

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Si has escuchado alguna vez <em>Gabinete de curiosidades<\/em> lo habr\u00e1s visto: que si un l\u00e1piz, que si un confeti, que si\u2026 Los objetos y los lugares, al final, son un enfoque m\u00e1s sincero, porque no dependen de tu creatividad. El personaje lo creas t\u00fa, lo colocas t\u00fa y, por mucho que t\u00fa quieras transmitir algo, cada lector lo va a vivir desde su propia realidad. Con el objeto y con los lugares est\u00e1s m\u00e1s amparada en que la comunicaci\u00f3n entre lector y escritor sea m\u00e1s veraz.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>LENGUA: <\/strong><strong>\u00bfC\u00f3mo llegaste a la taza de Copeland Spode?<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nuria P\u00e9rez: <\/strong>Investigando sobre el Alexandra, me enter\u00e9 que en un momento dado esa cer\u00e1mica hab\u00eda sido importante. Siempre me han gustado mucho las vajillas. Tenerlas y coleccionarlas, sobre todo las de mucho nivel, es uno de mis <em>hobbies<\/em>, adem\u00e1s de un tema del que s\u00e9 bastante. Me das una taza de Spode y al darle la vuelta, por los s\u00edmbolos que hay, te s\u00e9 decir la d\u00e9cada. Es algo muy yo. Me gustaba que, adem\u00e1s de tener mucha parte de m\u00ed las tres chicas (yo tengo <span style=\\\"text-decoration: underline;\\\"><a href=\\\"https:\/\/www.lavanguardia.com\/vivo\/psicologia-salud-mental\/20231219\/9458159\/vivir-rodeado-numeros-que-aritmomania-como-manifiesta-pvlv.html\\\" target=\\\"_blank\\\" rel=\\\"noopener\\\">aritmoman\u00eda<\/a><\/span> como Marta, he sido escritora como Adela y he vivido en el barrio londinense de Mary), me gustaba que los objetos fueran muy yo. Si vienes a mi casa, el t\u00e9 se te va a poner muy bonito.\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>LENGUA: <\/strong><strong>\u00bfY en qu\u00e9 momento entr\u00f3 en juego el Museo Sorolla de Madrid, al que a menudo ibas solo a ver <span style=\\\"text-decoration: underline;\\\"><em><a href=\\\"https:\/\/artsandculture.google.com\/asset\/clotilde-in-a-grey-dress-joaqu%C3%ADn-sorolla-y-bastida\/QgEWA0s1U3gapg?hl=es\\\" target=\\\"_blank\\\" rel=\\\"noopener\\\">Clotilde con traje gris<\/a><\/em><\/span>, dejando at\u00f3nitas a las vigilantes de sala? <\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nuria P\u00e9rez: <\/strong>No sabes lo que hablaban entre ellas. Este gesto se ve much\u00edsimo m\u00e1s en el Prado. Hay much\u00edsima gente que va a diario, se para delante de un cuadro durante media hora y se va. Pero entiendo que en un museo as\u00ed es m\u00e1s complicado, porque al p\u00fablico le encanta, sobre todo, ver la parte de abajo de la casa, los objetos. 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No es importante que sepas que el verso de <span style=\\\"text-decoration: underline;\\\"><a href=\\\"https:\/\/www.penguinlibros.com\/es\/1070-wh-auden\\\" target=\\\"_blank\\\" rel=\\\"noopener\\\">Auden<\/a><\/span> est\u00e1 ah\u00ed porque Auden era fan\u00e1tico de Dante y todas sus poes\u00edas exploran el concepto de <span style=\\\"text-decoration: underline;\\\"><em><a href=\\\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Terceto_encadenado\\\" target=\\\"_blank\\\" rel=\\\"noopener\\\">terza rima<\/a><\/em><\/span>, el terceto dantesco, pero si lo sabes, vas a entender la referencia. 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El a\u00f1o 1998 est\u00e1 justo en el l\u00edmite entre lo anal\u00f3gico y lo digital. Hab\u00eda m\u00f3viles, pero no permit\u00edan hacer pr\u00e1cticamente nada. En 2000, que estaba a la vuelta de la esquina, explot\u00f3 todo. Creo mucho en la magia, en la serendipia, en el destino, en las relaciones rom\u00e1nticas lentas, llenas de coincidencias, y ten\u00eda much\u00edsimo miedo de que se me terminara la historia entre Marta y V. en dos p\u00e1ginas, porque realmente es mucho m\u00e1s divertido que esta mujer no tenga manera de indagar, investigar\u2026 Ir a la hemeroteca, que ya me dir\u00e1s t\u00fa. Hubiera sido un l\u00edmite muy grande. De todas formas, creo que en esta novela el l\u00edmite m\u00e1s grande al conseguimiento de la propia libertad es la religi\u00f3n o la imposici\u00f3n de mandamientos sociales, en el caso de Adela. Creo que a\u00f1adir tambi\u00e9n el l\u00edmite a la libertad que nos ha impuesto el mundo digital, con su bombardeo de informaci\u00f3n constante, ya ser\u00edan muchos l\u00edmites.\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>LENGUA: <\/strong><strong>Hablas de l\u00edmites a la libertad. \u00bfEs la novela una celebraci\u00f3n del amor y el libre albedr\u00edo?<\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nuria P\u00e9rez: <\/strong>Quiz\u00e1 no tanto del amor en general, pero s\u00ed que trato de ahondar en que el objetivo de cada vida debe ser la b\u00fasqueda de la propia libertad y que a menudo nos bloqueamos porque pensamos que esto perjudicar\u00e1 a nuestro entorno (familia, vida social, laboral\u2026). Sin embargo, es el mejor ejemplo que podemos dar a quien nos rodea, porque la libertad es una sensaci\u00f3n que a la mujer le llega muy tarde. Ojal\u00e1 genere una reflexi\u00f3n en quien nos lee, qu\u00e9 paso no estoy dando, por qu\u00e9 estoy bloqueada\u2026 Cuando vuelvo a ella en las entrevistas, me doy cuenta del trabajo interior que se hace escribiendo. Le\u00eda el otro d\u00eda a <span style=\\\"text-decoration: underline;\\\"><a href=\\\"https:\/\/www.penguinlibros.com\/es\/772-julio-llamazares\\\" target=\\\"_blank\\\" rel=\\\"noopener\\\">Llamazares<\/a><\/span>, que dec\u00eda que la vida consiste en ir perdiendo cosas y la literatura se asegura de que no se pierdan del todo. Probablemente hay partes de m\u00ed que son del pasado, pero ten\u00eda ganas, ahora que estoy en otra fase de mi vida, de que perduraran a trav\u00e9s de estos personajes.\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>LENGUA: <\/strong><strong>\u00bfTe has enfrentado con tus propias inseguridades y vulnerabilidades en el proceso de escritura? <\/strong><\/p><p><strong>Nuria P\u00e9rez: <\/strong>S\u00ed, desde luego. Para empezar, con el idioma, del que no me sent\u00eda due\u00f1a del todo por haber pasado tantos a\u00f1os hablando otros. En la no ficci\u00f3n manejas un vocabulario mucho m\u00e1s concreto, pero en ficci\u00f3n es grande. Al principio fue un gran miedo, pero tuve la suerte de tener personas a mi alrededor empujando y aupando. Te lanzas a una piscina tan subjetiva en un momento de tal violencia gratuita en la cr\u00edtica que da mucho v\u00e9rtigo. T\u00fa escribes un ensayo sobre bolsos y siempre vas a encontrar a un interesado, y quien no lo est\u00e9 tampoco te va a criticar. Con la novela pretenden que sea un libro hecho a medida para cada lector, y eso no es as\u00ed, muy pocas veces ves cr\u00edticas que digan \u00abest\u00e1 bien escrita, pero no es para m\u00ed\u00bb. Enseguida se lanzan al \u00abno es buena, no me ha gustado\u00bb. A menudo no se hace ese ejercicio. Y yo vengo muy mal acostumbrada, porque en la plataforma de <em>Gabinete<\/em> hay gente muy cari\u00f1osa conmigo, generosa, fiel\u2026 Ah\u00ed s\u00ed que es m\u00e1s sencillo que hagan la reflexi\u00f3n de que, si no les ha interesado, ya regresar\u00e1n al siguiente cap\u00edtulo. Ojal\u00e1 puedan hacer algo similar con la novela y sean objetivos al separar la idea de que no es su mundo con la de que no est\u00e1 bien 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href=\\\"https:\/\/www.penguinlibros.com\/es\/revista-lengua\/entrevistas\/ottessa-moshfegh-sabina-urraca-mcglue\\\" target=\\\"_blank\\\" rel=\\\"noopener\\\">Ottessa Moshfegh: \u00abNunca quiero saber nada de los autores a los que leo, no quiero ver ni una foto suya\u00bb<\/a><\/span><\/p><p><span style=\\\"text-decoration: underline;\\\"><a href=\\\"https:\/\/www.penguinlibros.com\/es\/revista-lengua\/entrevistas\/sara-barquinero-los-escorpiones-lumen\\\" target=\\\"_blank\\\" rel=\\\"noopener\\\">Sara Barquinero: \u00abSoy mejor persona cuando miro al horror\u00bb<\/a><\/span><\/p><p><span style=\\\"text-decoration: underline;\\\"><a href=\\\"https:\/\/www.penguinlibros.com\/es\/revista-lengua\/entrevistas\/julia-pero-olor-a-hormiga\\\" target=\\\"_blank\\\" rel=\\\"noopener\\\">J\u00falia Per\u00f3: \u00abLa vejez masculina se relaciona con la experiencia y la sabidur\u00eda; la femenina, con el marchitamiento y la infertilidad\u00bb<\/a><\/span><\/p><p><span 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Nuria Pérez. Crédito: Asís G. Ayerbe.

Nuria Pérez. Crédito: Asís G. Ayerbe.

Poco podía imaginar Nuria Pérez, responsable del multipremiado pódcast Gabinete de curiosidades, que cuando aceptó la invitación de la entonces directora literaria de Salamandra, Sigrid Kraus («una visionaria total e historia de la edición española», en palabras de Pérez), para entrevistar al escritor de origen libio Hisham Matar con motivo del lanzamiento en España de su libro Un mes en Siena, también estaba abriendo las puertas a un nuevo e inesperado proyecto profesional. 

Tanto Pérez como Matar compartían pasiones fuera de lo común, como visitar frecuentemente sus obras favoritas (siempre las mismas) en algún museo, acaso para hallar esperanza y certezas en un mundo cada vez más polarizado. Solidez en la modernidad líquida, que diría Bauman. «Suelo ir al Prado como mínimo dos veces por semana, para ver los mismos cuadros. Todos los que me gustan son superdetallistas, supercurrados. Primero, porque de los cuadros así nunca te cansas, siempre encuentras nuevos detallitos. Cuento elementos y eso me relaja. Pero, sobre todo, salgo embriagada de la potencia del ser humano, de las maravillas que se pueden lograr con esfuerzo», asegura la autora. 

La labor curatorial de Kraus había sido impecable. Sin embargo, durante la cena que tuvo lugar después de la presentación del libro en la Fundación Telefónica, las que de verdad hicieron clic fueron las dos mujeres. No tardó en fraguarse un nuevo y excitante salto a la ficción. «Desde el principio, Sigrid tuvo confianza ciega en mí. Firmé el contrato, me fui de viaje a Portugal, me encerré en The Literary Man de Óbidos y, cuando regresé, tenía la estructura de una novela», perfectamente cosida a partir de su taza y su palacio en el centro de Londres.  

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No tocarás

Desbordante de imaginación y fuerza evocativa, con diálogos y escenarios espléndidos, No tocarás es la primera novela de Nuria Pérez, creadora del exitoso pódcast Gabinete de Curiosidades.

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LENGUA: No tocarás recorre la vida de tres mujeres, pero ¿acaso un pocillo de Copeland Spode y el Alexandra Palace londinense no son también personajes protagónicos?

Nuria Pérez: Siempre empiezo mis historias, también en los ensayos y los pódcast, por un lugar que tiene, quizá, una parte de historia más oculta o que se puede enfocar desde una manera poco habitual. El Alexandra Palace es un sitio, para quienes viven en Londres, muy feliz. Es un poco como el WiZink Center de Madrid. La gente va a conciertos, en sus alrededores hacen pícnics, está rodeado de muchos jardines… Pero, si has leído la novela, sabes que esconde un lado más oscuro y más desconocido. Me apetecía hacerlo sobre eso. Una vez que tengo el lugar, a continuación siempre busco algún objeto que pueda viajar en el tiempo y que transmita el mismo tipo de emociones a todo el mundo. Una taza de Spode tiene el mismo valor para una señora del 1800 que para mí. Ambos elementos son como boyas que me voy dando a lo largo de la navegación para saber qué objetos pueden estar unidos a qué historias. Siempre empiezo por ahí. Si has escuchado alguna vez Gabinete de curiosidades lo habrás visto: que si un lápiz, que si un confeti, que si… Los objetos y los lugares, al final, son un enfoque más sincero, porque no dependen de tu creatividad. El personaje lo creas tú, lo colocas tú y, por mucho que tú quieras transmitir algo, cada lector lo va a vivir desde su propia realidad. Con el objeto y con los lugares estás más amparada en que la comunicación entre lector y escritor sea más veraz.  

LENGUA: ¿Cómo llegaste a la taza de Copeland Spode?

Nuria Pérez: Investigando sobre el Alexandra, me enteré que en un momento dado esa cerámica había sido importante. Siempre me han gustado mucho las vajillas. Tenerlas y coleccionarlas, sobre todo las de mucho nivel, es uno de mis hobbies, además de un tema del que sé bastante. Me das una taza de Spode y al darle la vuelta, por los símbolos que hay, te sé decir la década. Es algo muy yo. Me gustaba que, además de tener mucha parte de mí las tres chicas (yo tengo aritmomanía como Marta, he sido escritora como Adela y he vivido en el barrio londinense de Mary), me gustaba que los objetos fueran muy yo. Si vienes a mi casa, el té se te va a poner muy bonito. 

LENGUA: ¿Y en qué momento entró en juego el Museo Sorolla de Madrid, al que a menudo ibas solo a ver Clotilde con traje gris, dejando atónitas a las vigilantes de sala?

Nuria Pérez: No sabes lo que hablaban entre ellas. Este gesto se ve muchísimo más en el Prado. Hay muchísima gente que va a diario, se para delante de un cuadro durante media hora y se va. Pero entiendo que en un museo así es más complicado, porque al público le encanta, sobre todo, ver la parte de abajo de la casa, los objetos. A mí realmente me fascina ese cuadro, me parece una pasada. El asunto es que, justo cuando me acababa de mudar al barrio, mi vecino decidió reformar su piso. Así que empecé a ir mucho al jardín de Sorolla a escribir, porque es un lugar muy tranquilo y muy bonito. Me dije, ya que estoy, pues subo… Y ahí encontré el cuadro. Paralelamente, mientras hacía la investigación para el libro, me enteré de que Sorolla había estado en Londres. Sentí como que ella me estaba ayudando en la trama.

«A veces es la sociedad la que lo pone más difícil y a veces somos nosotras mismas [las mujeres] quienes nos ponemos muchísimos más límites. Creemos que no podemos tener todo en la vida, o creemos que tenemos que estar siempre un poco por detrás…».

LENGUA: Hablabas antes de la comunicación veraz con el lector, ¿por qué es importante la sinceridad en la novela?

Nuria Pérez: Porque los mensajes que creo que trascienden son importantes: estamos todos unidos, tenemos que luchar por el libre albedrío y ser dueños de nuestro propio destino, independientemente de la situación o la religión o las redes sociales. Pienso en las nuevas generaciones, con esos mandamientos y esos límites que se han impuesto. Me parece muy importante que a lo largo de la travesía vayamos hablando el mismo lenguaje quien me lee y yo. Obviamente, cada lector es un libro, pero me parece importante generar una línea de empatía entre él/ella y que podamos entender que el viaje nos está llevando a ese concepto importante. 

LENGUA: Acompañas a tres mujeres en este viaje de autoconocimiento, de límites… ¿por qué son tres mujeres y por qué todo cambia a las 5:12?

Nuria Pérez: Son tres mujeres porque ese es el lenguaje que conozco, y siendo mi primera novela me parecía un tanto arriesgado (y bastante arrogante) meterme en el mundo interior de otro género. Creo que es más fácil empezar con el que conoces. Las tres tienen mucho de mí, lo cual también es otro salvavidas que me voy poniendo para barajar mundos que conozco. Y sobre todo porque, volviendo al concepto clave, que es el de la libertad y el destino, las mujeres lo tenemos siempre mucho más difícil. A veces es la sociedad la que lo pone más difícil y a veces somos nosotras mismas quienes nos ponemos muchísimos más límites. Creemos que no podemos tener todo en la vida, o creemos que tenemos que estar siempre un poco por detrás… Pienso, por ejemplo, en Marta, que no se quiere dar una segunda oportunidad en el amor, algo muy común en las mujeres, sobre todo en las divorciadas. Esto a los hombres no les sucede. Es cierto que hay una parte de conciliación que no ayuda, pero hay otro lado más emocional también. A menudo no nos sentimos merecedoras de muchos logros vitales. Con respecto a lo de las 5:12, la novela tiene mucho de sobrenatural. Hay una parte de homenaje a la filosofía celta y gallega, en la que existe un concepto denominado espacios delgados, que tiene que ver con la línea entre terrenal y celestial que siempre es difusa por la niebla. Eso hace que en esta cultura lo sobrenatural se trate con naturalidad, como algo objetivo y racional. En la novela me apetecía colocar partes que realmente no se pueden atar, pero son importantes y están ahí.

Nuria Pérez. Crédito: Asís G. Ayerbe.

Nuria Pérez. Crédito: Asís G. Ayerbe.

LENGUA: Las sutiles referencias celtas, el purgatorio, Dante, La Divina Comedia… Todo está mucho más atado de lo que en un principio podría parecer. ¿Llegaste a elaborar tableros como los de los crímenes de la policía?

Nuria Pérez: Claro que lo hice. También lo hago para los pódcasts. Cuando entra mi cartero, siempre me dice: ya estás matando a alguien. Pongo hasta los hilos. Es como CSI. Está todo muy atado porque me encanta que lo que hago tenga muchas lecturas, como este tipo de libros que leímos en la juventud y nos gustaron, pero los volvemos a leer como adultos y encontramos más cosas. Me encanta que haya muchas lecturas, muchos niveles. No es necesario ni importante que sepas que para Dante la llegada al purgatorio era una barca pero, si lo sabes, aprecias más la metáfora. No es importante que sepas que el verso de Auden está ahí porque Auden era fanático de Dante y todas sus poesías exploran el concepto de terza rima, el terceto dantesco, pero si lo sabes, vas a entender la referencia. Todo es muy dantesco y está muy hilado. 

LENGUA: Tus tres protagonistas (Marta, Adela y Mary) están vinculadas a lo largo y ancho de la geografía europea y también de los siglos, casi como si el problema de una fuera el problema de todas, como si una no pudiese existir sin lo que le ocurre a otras…

Nuria Pérez: El objetivo aquí es el que persigo en todo mi trabajo. Independientemente de la época que te ha tocado vivir, del lugar y de la condición socioeconómica (la de Mary no es la de Adela), estamos todas unidas por los mismos anhelos, miedos, inquietudes e inseguridades. Y creo que quien mejor puede ayudar a una mujer es otra mujer porque hay muchísima más empatía, hay un legado común… Me gustaba que fuera una historia de sororidad. Para mí, la tribu femenina, las madres del cole, etcétera, han sido clave en la crianza de mis hijas y en mi desarrollo profesional. 

LENGUA: ¿Sientes que has llevado a esas mujeres al límite?  

Nuria Pérez: Pobrecillas, ¿no? Sí, es cierto que las pongo al límite. Al final, para mí también ha sido un poco un ejercicio de abrazar mis defectos, mis debilidades y mis lados oscuros. Me gustaba jugar con las luces y las sombras que tiene cada persona. Cómo, en apariencia, podemos tenerlo todo atado en la vida y ser superexitosas, pero por dentro estar desmoronándonos. Me gusta que la solución que encuentran pase por aceptar esto y por abrazar todas las partes de sí mismas. Llega un momento que debemos dejarnos ir, permitirnos ser.

«Creo que quien mejor puede ayudar a una mujer es otra mujer porque hay muchísima más empatía, hay un legado común… Me gustaba que fuera una historia de sororidad. Para mí, la tribu femenina, las madres del cole, etcétera, han sido clave en la crianza de mis hijas y en mi desarrollo profesional».

LENGUA: La trama sucede en un mundo predigital (o en los albores de lo digital, en negación de lo digital). ¿A qué se debe este límite en la comunicación? 

Nuria Pérez: Para mí era muy importante que esto fuese así. El año 1998 está justo en el límite entre lo analógico y lo digital. Había móviles, pero no permitían hacer prácticamente nada. En 2000, que estaba a la vuelta de la esquina, explotó todo. Creo mucho en la magia, en la serendipia, en el destino, en las relaciones románticas lentas, llenas de coincidencias, y tenía muchísimo miedo de que se me terminara la historia entre Marta y V. en dos páginas, porque realmente es mucho más divertido que esta mujer no tenga manera de indagar, investigar… Ir a la hemeroteca, que ya me dirás tú. Hubiera sido un límite muy grande. De todas formas, creo que en esta novela el límite más grande al conseguimiento de la propia libertad es la religión o la imposición de mandamientos sociales, en el caso de Adela. Creo que añadir también el límite a la libertad que nos ha impuesto el mundo digital, con su bombardeo de información constante, ya serían muchos límites. 

LENGUA: Hablas de límites a la libertad. ¿Es la novela una celebración del amor y el libre albedrío?

Nuria Pérez: Quizá no tanto del amor en general, pero sí que trato de ahondar en que el objetivo de cada vida debe ser la búsqueda de la propia libertad y que a menudo nos bloqueamos porque pensamos que esto perjudicará a nuestro entorno (familia, vida social, laboral…). Sin embargo, es el mejor ejemplo que podemos dar a quien nos rodea, porque la libertad es una sensación que a la mujer le llega muy tarde. Ojalá genere una reflexión en quien nos lee, qué paso no estoy dando, por qué estoy bloqueada… Cuando vuelvo a ella en las entrevistas, me doy cuenta del trabajo interior que se hace escribiendo. Leía el otro día a Llamazares, que decía que la vida consiste en ir perdiendo cosas y la literatura se asegura de que no se pierdan del todo. Probablemente hay partes de mí que son del pasado, pero tenía ganas, ahora que estoy en otra fase de mi vida, de que perduraran a través de estos personajes. 

LENGUA: ¿Te has enfrentado con tus propias inseguridades y vulnerabilidades en el proceso de escritura?

Nuria Pérez: Sí, desde luego. Para empezar, con el idioma, del que no me sentía dueña del todo por haber pasado tantos años hablando otros. En la no ficción manejas un vocabulario mucho más concreto, pero en ficción es grande. Al principio fue un gran miedo, pero tuve la suerte de tener personas a mi alrededor empujando y aupando. Te lanzas a una piscina tan subjetiva en un momento de tal violencia gratuita en la crítica que da mucho vértigo. Tú escribes un ensayo sobre bolsos y siempre vas a encontrar a un interesado, y quien no lo esté tampoco te va a criticar. Con la novela pretenden que sea un libro hecho a medida para cada lector, y eso no es así, muy pocas veces ves críticas que digan «está bien escrita, pero no es para mí». Enseguida se lanzan al «no es buena, no me ha gustado». A menudo no se hace ese ejercicio. Y yo vengo muy mal acostumbrada, porque en la plataforma de Gabinete hay gente muy cariñosa conmigo, generosa, fiel… Ahí sí que es más sencillo que hagan la reflexión de que, si no les ha interesado, ya regresarán al siguiente capítulo. Ojalá puedan hacer algo similar con la novela y sean objetivos al separar la idea de que no es su mundo con la de que no está bien escrita. 

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