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Eva Perón por Tomás Eloy Martínez: «Evita no era ninguna santa»

Cuando Eva Perón murió el 26 de julio de 1952 a los treinta y tres años, su cadáver fue exhibido en la capilla ardiente durante dos semanas: su marido, el presidente Juan Domingo Perón, había ordenado embalsamarlo sabiendo que aquel cuerpo consumido por el cáncer había pasado a la historia, una que estaría poblada de ultrajes, misterio y robo durante décadas. Evita no fue enterrada de inmediato porque Perón esperaba hacerlo en un mausoleo que nunca llegó a concluir: tres años después, él fue derrocado y el cadáver de su mujer fue secuestrado por el nuevo gobierno militar. El cuerpo pasó por diferentes manos y países durante veinticuatro años hasta su sepultura definitiva en Buenos Aires en 1976, dos años después de que Perón murió durante su tercera presidencia, cuando otra dictadura militar lo entregó a la familia Duarte. A continuación, reproducimos la entrevista que el periodista y escritor Tomás Eloy Martínez mantuvo durante la presentación de su novela «Santa Evita» (Alfaguara) con Juan Forn, el primer editor del libro en el que se basa la serie que ahora estrena Star+. Vuelve con ella, a setenta años de aquella muerte, el mito más perenne de la Argentina: la historia del cadáver de Eva.

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Encontrar el tono adecuado para contar un relato puede llevar a\u00f1os. <em>Ex post<\/em>, o sea, mirando hacia atr\u00e1s, \u00bfte acord\u00e1s exactamente el momento, pod\u00e9s decir cu\u00e1l fue el detonador o la escena de la novela que te dio el tono?<br \/><br \/><strong>Tom\u00e1s Eloy Mart\u00ednez:<\/strong> Vos has le\u00eddo todas las versiones: hay una versi\u00f3n completa de m\u00e1s de trescientas p\u00e1ginas y una segunda versi\u00f3n que no llega hasta el final, de unas ciento ochenta p\u00e1ginas. La distancia que hay entre esas versiones y la versi\u00f3n final es el tono, que en los primeros relatos no estaba encontrado y s\u00ed aparece claramente en la narraci\u00f3n final.\u00a0Yo creo que todo nace en el momento en el que mi mujer me convence de por qu\u00e9 le tengo tanto miedo a Evita. 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Forn:<\/strong> Esta es una novela que utiliza todo tipo de t\u00e9cnicas y casi todos los artificios que tiene a mano una persona que escribe. Ya no digo un escritor, sino tambi\u00e9n un cronista, un periodista,\u00a0un dramaturgo. No solo un escritor de ficci\u00f3n. <br \/>Hay una escena memorable muy larga en donde el personaje de Tom\u00e1s se sienta con aquel peluquero con el que hab\u00eda dialogado a\u00f1os antes y le propone leer el guion de un documental que escribi\u00f3 con los pedazos de los noticieros del d\u00eda del renunciamiento de Eva. 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El t\u00edtulo de la novela naci\u00f3 de alg\u00fan modo espont\u00e1neamente. La novela en alg\u00fan momento iba a llamarse <em>La perdida<\/em>. Siempre trato de buscar t\u00edtulos que tengan varios significados. <em>La perdida<\/em> tiene muchas lecturas posibles y <em>Santa Evita<\/em> tambi\u00e9n, porque se puede entender tanto en un sentido literal como en un sentido par\u00f3dico.\u00a0En el imaginario de muchos argentinos hay una proyecci\u00f3n de Evita en tanto santa. No olvidemos que cuando Evita estaba viva hubo peticiones con m\u00e1s de cien mil firmas para canonizarla y que cuando Evita muere, esas peticiones arrecian. Los altares donde Evita es venerada, junto con los santos de la casa, suman millares en Argentina. Esos altares se ven en casas humildes de los barrios de Buenos Aires, en relicarios, en peque\u00f1as grutas, en nichos en la pared con el retrato de Evita, y flores y velas en todos los casos. Entonces, por una parte, est\u00e1 esa veneraci\u00f3n popular.\u00a0El libro trata de reconstruir el mito de Evita a trav\u00e9s de las marcas, las inscripciones, las se\u00f1ales que ese mito ha ido dejando tanto en la imaginaci\u00f3n de los argentinos como en las conciencias, en los deseos y en las obsesiones de los argentinos. Evita, para un sector enorme de la poblaci\u00f3n est\u00e1 santificada. Por otro lado, es una provocaci\u00f3n. Es un t\u00edtulo provocativo: \u00bfsanta? \u00bfPor qu\u00e9 santa? Creo que Eva no era ninguna santa y eso es lo que, de alg\u00fan modo, acrecienta los elementos de su santidad. El t\u00edtulo representa lo que son muchos santos del santoral: el reflejo de los deseos, de las necesidades, de las sensaciones y del pedido de socorro de much\u00edsima gente. En ese sentido, Eva es una santa laica en la vida de muchos argentinos. <br \/><br \/><strong>Juan Forn:<\/strong> Quiero cerrar con una cita de Rodolfo Walsh, del cuento \u00abEsa mujer\u00bb, donde Walsh dialoga con el coronel Carlos Moori Koenig acerca del cuerpo de Eva Per\u00f3n sin mencionar a Eva en todo el relato. Hay un momento en que Moori le dice a Walsh, completamente paranoico por las amenazas y los llamados: \u00abAlg\u00fan d\u00eda se escribir\u00e1 esta historia. Alg\u00fan d\u00eda esos ro\u00f1osos sabr\u00e1n todo lo que hice por ellos. 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Evita saluda desde el balcón presidencial junto con Juan Domingo Perón el 17 de octubre de 1950, día de la Lealtad peronista. Crédito: Getty Images.

Juan Forn: Dijiste una vez que lo más difícil de Santa Evita fue encontrar el tono adecuado. Encontrar el tono adecuado para contar un relato puede llevar años. Ex post, o sea, mirando hacia atrás, ¿te acordás exactamente el momento, podés decir cuál fue el detonador o la escena de la novela que te dio el tono?

Tomás Eloy Martínez: Vos has leído todas las versiones: hay una versión completa de más de trescientas páginas y una segunda versión que no llega hasta el final, de unas ciento ochenta páginas. La distancia que hay entre esas versiones y la versión final es el tono, que en los primeros relatos no estaba encontrado y sí aparece claramente en la narración final. Yo creo que todo nace en el momento en el que mi mujer me convence de por qué le tengo tanto miedo a Evita. Me dice: «¿Por qué no contar no solo la historia del cuerpo de la Evita transeúnte, nómada por el mundo, sino también las exposiciones, los martirios, los conflictos del cuerpo de Eva Perón vivo?». Es en ese instante cuando se me representa el cuerpo de Eva Perón muriendo, que es la escena inicial de la novela. Y cuando logro contar esa escena inicial, Eva Perón muriendo, Eva Perón sintiendo el cuerpo que languidece, que es fuerte y débil a la vez, el cuerpo que se le escapa, el cuerpo y la voz que han sido su instrumento, es en ese instante cuando siento que el cuerpo de Eva se posa sobre el relato y es ahí cuando el tono nace de verdad.

Juan Forn: Esta es una novela que utiliza todo tipo de técnicas y casi todos los artificios que tiene a mano una persona que escribe. Ya no digo un escritor, sino también un cronista, un periodista, un dramaturgo. No solo un escritor de ficción.
Hay una escena memorable muy larga en donde el personaje de Tomás se sienta con aquel peluquero con el que había dialogado años antes y le propone leer el guion de un documental que escribió con los pedazos de los noticieros del día del renunciamiento de Eva. El guion a doble columna está intercalado con los comentarios del peluquero mientras lee, pero además, en la columna de la izquierda, están todas las acotaciones de Tomás al futuro director de ese documental para potenciar las imágenes. ¿Ese guion era real o fuiste viendo en los archivos nacionales de Washington esos kilómetros y kilómetros de celuloide y fuiste escribiendo el guion mientras escribías la novela?

Tomás Eloy Martínez: La relación con el peluquero nace cuando yo escribía un relato sobre historia del cine para el diario La Nación de Buenos Aires, cuando se cumplen cincuenta años del nacimiento del cine argentino en 1958. En las tardes de esos días nos reuníamos con Amelia Biagioni y Augusto Roa Bastos a leer poemas en el Café La Fragata, que estaba en la esquina del diario, y hablar de poesía, y después de esos encuentros yo iba a ver al peluquero para arrancarle historias sobre cine argentino. Esos fueron mis primeros encuentros con el peluquero.

Volviendo a tu pregunta, en el momento en el que quise narrar el renunciamiento, cuyos datos ya tenía, me pregunté cómo contar esta historia que ha sido tantas veces contada sin incurrir en el lugar común. De qué modo narrar esto que está visto además en tantos videos, una y otra vez, sin quitarle la intensidad, la densidad y la fuerza trágica que esa escena tiene. Para reconstruir de algún modo ese momento, pensemos que en 1951, desde el mes de mayo, Eva viene preparando la candidatura a la vicepresidencia secundada por el propio Perón. El 22 de agosto de 1951 reúnen a un millón y medio de personas, los trenes son gratuitos, los almuerzos de ese día son gratuitos en la Avenida 9 de Julio de Buenos Aires. Esas imágenes han sido mostradas una y otra vez, escritas una y otra vez y reproducidas infinitas veces. Entonces pienso que el mejor modo es seguir un poco la corriente de los relatos que hay en la imaginación de la gente y narrar esto como si fuera un guion de cine. El guion está escrito expresamente para la novela, claro está; no estuvo escrito nunca en la realidad y es uno de los artificios que la novela emplea porque jugaba perfectamente en el diálogo que mucho tiempo atrás yo había tenido con el peluquero, y las correcciones y las revelaciones que el peluquero va haciendo a esa historia son reales.

«El título Santa Evita representa lo que son muchos santos del santoral: el reflejo de los deseos, de las necesidades, de las sensaciones y del pedido de socorro de muchísima gente. En ese sentido, Eva es una santa laica en la vida de muchos argentinos».

Juan Forn: Te has referido a la necrofilia argentina y yo creo que es uno de los elementos que hacen que el libro sea tan hipnótico para los lectores. Creo que manejás ese morbo que tienen los argentinos de una manera habilísima. ¿Puede serte más fácil trabajar esos aspectos de la necrofilia viniendo de Tucumán, habiendo teniendo un pasado católico oscurantista típico de las provincias del norte?

Tomás Eloy Martínez: Tengo un pasado católico, provinciano. Eso es innegable, por supuesto, no sé hasta qué punto oscurantista. Es verdad que yo abrevé en Tucumán historias que pertenecen a la tradición cotidiana, que uno ve con tanta naturalidad que no se da cuenta de que son necrofílicas hasta mucho más tarde. La historia de Marco Manuel de Avellaneda, por ejemplo, que es portentosa: hay en la plaza central de Tucumán, en la Plaza Independencia, frente a la Casa del Gobierno, un monolito chico enclavado en el exacto lugar, dicen, donde estuvo la lanza que sostenía la cabeza de Marco Manuel de Avellaneda, padre de Nicolás Avellaneda, asesinado por las tropas de Oribe en 1841. Cuando yo era chico, las maestras del colegio me llevaban a que viera ese monolito y me explicaban que ahí estuvo la lanza con la cabeza del prócer y que después una dama patricia llamada Fortunata García de García logró que el comandante de la guarnición se la entregara, la perfumó, la lavó y la enterró en una cripta en el convento de San Francisco. Esta cabeza que en 1888 fue enterrada en el convento de La Recoleta –solo la cabeza porque el cuerpo se perdió–, en un mausoleo que está curiosamente a veinte pasos de la tumba donde yace Evita, me deparó una revelación curiosísima: en 1989, cuando visité el Archivos General de Indias en Sevilla, donde estaba buscando documentos de las crónicas de Indias, la directora de Los Alcázares, Consuelo Varela, me dijo si quería ver algunos documentos y qué época me interesaba. Me interesaba ver documentos sobre Tucumán y me dijo que tenía un sector con material de las provincias de Argentina, incluido Tucumán. Me tropecé casi de entrada con una carta de Rita García, hermana de Fortunata García de García, a Visitación García, otra hermana, contándole que su hermana Fortunata acababa de morir y que en el cuarto, en 1874, habían encontrado la cabeza de Marco Manuel de Avellaneda al lado de la cual ella había dormido durante casi treinta años. 

Este episodio se parece mucho a un relato que Faulkner escribió sesenta años más tarde, Una rosa para Emily, y es un relato de la historia argentina que me parece esencial, un nudo crucial. De pronto, mientras leía esa carta, me vino a la memoria el largo peregrinaje con los restos de Juan Lavalle, por ejemplo, a través de la Quebrada de Humahuaca, por no hablar de las historias más recientes: las manos de Perón, el corazón de Fray Mamerto Esquiú, la cabeza del padre de Martínez de Hoz, los rituales que tanto tiempo duraron con Evita… En fin, elementos centrales de la historia de Argentina que en 1992 hacen explosión con la repatriación de los restos de Juan Manuel de Rosas y con la oleada de emociones que aparecen en la cámara de Diputados para trasladar la tumba de William Morris a William Morris, la de Vicente López y Planes a Vicente López, la de Alejandro Korn a Alejandro Korn y la de Leopoldo Lugones a Villa de María del Río Seco, donde nació, aunque finalmente hubo un error y terminaron enterrándolo en Villa María, que está quinientos kilómetros al sur.

Los funerales de Evita en las calles de Buenos Aires. Crédito: Getty Images.

Juan Forn: ¿Por qué le pusiste Santa Evita como título?

Tomás Eloy Martínez: Esta es una pregunta que yo me hice a mí mismo. El título de la novela nació de algún modo espontáneamente. La novela en algún momento iba a llamarse La perdida. Siempre trato de buscar títulos que tengan varios significados. La perdida tiene muchas lecturas posibles y Santa Evita también, porque se puede entender tanto en un sentido literal como en un sentido paródico. En el imaginario de muchos argentinos hay una proyección de Evita en tanto santa. No olvidemos que cuando Evita estaba viva hubo peticiones con más de cien mil firmas para canonizarla y que cuando Evita muere, esas peticiones arrecian. Los altares donde Evita es venerada, junto con los santos de la casa, suman millares en Argentina. Esos altares se ven en casas humildes de los barrios de Buenos Aires, en relicarios, en pequeñas grutas, en nichos en la pared con el retrato de Evita, y flores y velas en todos los casos. Entonces, por una parte, está esa veneración popular. El libro trata de reconstruir el mito de Evita a través de las marcas, las inscripciones, las señales que ese mito ha ido dejando tanto en la imaginación de los argentinos como en las conciencias, en los deseos y en las obsesiones de los argentinos. Evita, para un sector enorme de la población está santificada. Por otro lado, es una provocación. Es un título provocativo: ¿santa? ¿Por qué santa? Creo que Eva no era ninguna santa y eso es lo que, de algún modo, acrecienta los elementos de su santidad. El título representa lo que son muchos santos del santoral: el reflejo de los deseos, de las necesidades, de las sensaciones y del pedido de socorro de muchísima gente. En ese sentido, Eva es una santa laica en la vida de muchos argentinos.

Juan Forn: Quiero cerrar con una cita de Rodolfo Walsh, del cuento «Esa mujer», donde Walsh dialoga con el coronel Carlos Moori Koenig acerca del cuerpo de Eva Perón sin mencionar a Eva en todo el relato. Hay un momento en que Moori le dice a Walsh, completamente paranoico por las amenazas y los llamados: «Algún día se escribirá esta historia. Algún día esos roñosos sabrán todo lo que hice por ellos. No es que me importe quedar bien con ellos, sino con la historia». Creo que Santa Evita termina de contar la historia de Moori Koenig y la historia del cadáver de Eva Perón.



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