Igort: el dibujante de la sombra rusa

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Ambientada en 1938, con una trama en la que se puede ver a la Segunda Guerra acerc\u00e1ndose a lo lejos. \u00abEs un libro que realmente amo hacer\u00bb, asegura Igort sobre la historieta que estaba dibujando cuando estall\u00f3 <span style=\\\"text-decoration: underline;\\\"><a href=\\\"https:\/\/www.penguinlibros.com\/es\/revista-lengua\/no-ficcion\/barack-obama-vladimir-putin\\\" target=\\\"_blank\\\">la guerra en Ucrania<\/a><\/span>. \u00abY por supuesto que la tuve que dejar de lado. Fue como si me hubiesen arrastrado de regreso a todo eso. \u00a1Como una pesadilla!\u00bb, se r\u00ede, tratando de aflojar la tensi\u00f3n respecto a un tema que lo tiene realmente preocupado.<\/p><p>\u00abEstuve hablando con Galia Ackerman en estos d\u00edas\u00bb, cuenta, refiri\u00e9ndose a la traductora al franc\u00e9s de Anna Politkovskaya, a la que convirti\u00f3 en personaje de sus <em>Cuadernos rusos<\/em>. \u00abPiensa que la cosa es muy seria y que no va a terminar tan f\u00e1cil. Yo no quisiera pensar como ella, pero supongo que tiene raz\u00f3n\u00bb, dice quien una d\u00e9cada atr\u00e1s dibuj\u00f3 los horrores de una guerra diferente pero que r\u00e1pidamente podr\u00eda ser similar, como la de Chechenia. \u00abOjal\u00e1 que Galia y yo estemos equivocados\u00bb, sacude su cabeza Igort, cuyos primeros pensamientos cuando empez\u00f3 la invasi\u00f3n fueron hacia sus amigos ucranianos. Lo que sinti\u00f3 despu\u00e9s fue la par\u00e1lisis, la incapacidad de hacer otra cosa salvo leer y escuchar las noticias, y telefonear a la gente que conoce all\u00e1, para preguntarles qu\u00e9 es lo que saben, c\u00f3mo viven, qu\u00e9 necesitan. Y por \u00faltimo la adrenalina de los llamados de los diarios, pregunt\u00e1ndole si quer\u00eda publicar algo al respecto. \u00abPero no pod\u00eda hacer nada\u00bb, confiesa Igort, salvo recopilar informaci\u00f3n, compartir datos estrictos (\u00abcomo un periodista\u00bb), y publicarlos en sus p\u00e1ginas de internet.\u00a0<\/p><p>\u00abDe noche, cuando todo est\u00e1 en calma, no puedo evitar pensar que toda esta quietud, este silencio, es un lujo que mis amigos en Ucrania no tienen, porque suenan las bombas afuera, porque siempre hay un ni\u00f1o llorando\u00bb, intenta explicar Igort, que no sabe muy bien qu\u00e9 hacer, que asegura que sus planes cambian cada semana. \u00abLo que Galia me dijo es que no es una guerra contra Ucrania, <span style=\\\"text-decoration: underline;\\\"><a href=\\\"https:\/\/www.penguinlibros.com\/es\/revista-lengua\/entrevistas\/anne-applebaum-rusia-ucrania-miguel-aguilar\\\" target=\\\"_blank\\\">sino contra la visi\u00f3n que ellos tienen de Occidente<\/a><\/span>. Que no es ret\u00f3rica, y que no va a detenerse\u00bb, insiste. Y asegura que otra de las preguntas que se hizo apenas empez\u00f3 la invasi\u00f3n es si sus amigos ser\u00edan tan patriotas como dec\u00edan ser entonces. \u00abComo nosotros tuvimos a Mussolini, toda esa ret\u00f3rica de \\\"ser patriota\\\", de \\\"nuestra tierra\\\", no tiene mucho sentido para nosotros. Mussolini nos cur\u00f3 de todo eso, no tenemos ni siquiera las banderas muy a la vista. As\u00ed que cuando los ucranianos me hablaban de lo patriotas que eran, yo siempre dud\u00e9. Y ahora estamos viendo que efectivamente es as\u00ed. 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Porque son historias que no son muy conocidas, incluso encontrar los casos de Chechenia fue algo muy dif\u00edcil, por toda la censura que las rodea\u00bb, explica. Pero enseguida vuelve sobre el tema que lo preocupa, que lo tiene llamando por tel\u00e9fono, escuchando historias, tratando de ayudar a sus amigos que tienen familiares o conocidos cada vez mas cerca del frente de batalla. \u00abCuando empez\u00e1s a ver cosas como las que estamos viendo, uno empieza a perder la fe en el ser humano, y esto es algo muy tr\u00e1gico. Porque yo realmente amo a la humanidad, soy un gran fan del ser humano. 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